Performer Interviews

Dialogue in Resonance (ICMC 2025)

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Pianists

Interviewees: Pianists who performed Dialogue in Resonance
Format: Semi-structured oral interview (edited for clarity; interviews conducted separately)
Overall Experience
Q: Can you describe your overall experience performing Dialogue in Resonance?
Pianist 1: Performing this work was a highly memorable experience. Despite the challenge of collaborating with an AI pianist, it genuinely felt like playing with a real human partner. As in traditional two-piano settings, the process of listening and reacting to each other was naturally realized here. I was especially impressed by how the system reflected the musical material I played—sometimes reproducing it exactly, sometimes transforming it into an accompaniment, prompting me to improvise new melodic ideas over it. Also, the dynamic and timbral integration between my piano and the system was so coherent that at times it felt even smoother than playing with another person.
The structural design of the piece greatly supported this interaction.
Pianist 2: What made the experience especially meaningful was that the team I had worked with—originally in a research context—stepped outside the typical framework of a technical showcase and engaged in artistic expression for the first time. At first, there was hesitation, but once the performance began, everyone truly enjoyed it, empathized with each other’s roles, and offered mutual artistic encouragement. That transformation was deeply moving and rewarding to witness.
Q: How was this experience different from traditional two-piano performance or contemporary music in general?
Pianist 1: The interaction closely resembled performing with a real pianist. Just like in a standard duet, one performer initiates and the other responds. Interestingly, unlike human duos that may experience interpretive inconsistencies, this system offered more seamless integration and responsiveness.
Pianist 2: I’ve previously encountered contemporary works that manipulate sound in real time using live recordings—transforming audio or generating ambient textures from it. What stood out to me about this piece was how those ideas were extended and reinterpreted through the use of an acoustic piano, a Disklavier (automated piano), and real-time transcription. The fact that such concepts were realized not through electronic sound sources, but through the piano as a central medium, made the experience feel particularly fresh and compelling.
Q: Did the interactive nature of the system affect your approach to performance?
Pianist 1: Definitely. Like any two-piano performance, I had to listen carefully to the phrasing and timing of the other part and adjust mine accordingly. When the system played something more expressive or virtuosic, I naturally lowered my tension or adapted my flow to match its direction.
Pianist 2: This piece places a strong emphasis on timing-based interaction, which significantly shaped my approach to performance. When I played a phrase, the second piano would follow after a short delay, or respond with a transformed version in a canon-like manner, reminiscent of Baroque structures. As a result, I had to continuously listen to and anticipate the second piano’s responses and shape my playing accordingly. This required me to actively adjust tempo, phrasing, and articulation in real time, not merely to follow the score but to build the music collaboratively with the system. I felt that this ongoing process of temporal negotiation created an evolving musical form—one that added layers and variations beyond what was fixed in notation.
Q: How aware were you of the system’s responses, and how did this affect your immersion?
Pianist 1: I was constantly aware of the system’s responses. That awareness did not distract me—it enriched my playing. The interaction influenced my phrasing, and the system's responses sometimes even changed how I expressed certain passages. For a trained pianist, such mutual awareness is natural, and I was able to immerse myself deeply without difficulty.
Pianist 2: I was constantly aware of the second piano’s responses. The structure of the piece felt like a real-time musical dialogue, where listening to the system and reacting to it was essential. It was not just about reacting to preprogrammed cues—it was about hearing the system’s output and shaping my next phrase based on what I heard. For example, depending on when and how the second piano entered, I would adjust how I proceeded with the next phrase. This real-time awareness had a direct impact on the pacing and flow of the performance, making each moment dependent on mutual listening and response.
Q: Did those real-time responses influence your emotional engagement?
Pianist 1: Absolutely. The interactive nature of the piece directly affected my emotions. The system’s reactions shaped my interpretation in real time, making the experience deeply immersive.
Pianist 2: In a solo performance, there is always a certain pressure to fill the entire space with your own sound. In contrast, during this piece, I experienced my own musical phrases returning in transformed or distorted forms through the second piano. This gave me a strong sense that I was not filling the space alone—there was another presence contributing to the soundscape. It created a richer sensory immersion and a heightened awareness of real-time interaction, as if I were co-constructing the sonic environment with an invisible partner. Compared to traditional two-piano performances, which are typically based on some degree of mutual planning or agreed-upon improvisation, this piece allowed me to take the lead entirely, with the second piano responding in real time. That structure gave me a stronger sense of autonomy as a performer. Within that autonomy, I was constantly receiving and reacting to live musical feedback, which made the experience both uniquely immersive and dynamically responsive.
Real-Time Transcription and Performance Challenges
Q: What was the most difficult part of performing with the real-time transcription system?
Pianist 1: During rehearsals, the latency in the system’s response made synchronization somewhat difficult. However, because the piece employs a modern, non-tonal idiom, such temporal flexibility felt musically acceptable—and even expressive.
Pianist 2: The most challenging aspect was the unpredictability of the system. While the second piano generally responds according to the notated material, in practice, unexpected variations often occur—such as subtle delays, added breaths, or shifts in emphasis. These deviations required me to remain constantly alert, monitoring the system’s behavior and adjusting my performance accordingly. That sense of uncertainty created a persistent tension, as I had to stay fully engaged with the second piano’s real-time responses throughout the performance.
Q: What kind of preparation was needed to understand the system’s behavior?
Pianist 1: It required a continuous process of exploration. I experimented with different dynamics, rhythms, and articulations to understand how the system would react. This exploratory approach was essential.
Pianist 2: It took time to explore how the system responded to my playing through repeated rehearsals. It wasn’t just about learning fixed behaviors—it was about understanding the algorithm’s character: how it receives sound and how it returns it. That exploratory process was essential in gradually learning to interpret and guide the system’s responses in a musically meaningful way.
Q: Did the system’s response ever interfere with or confuse your performance?
Pianist 1: Occasionally, there may have been glitches, but they were not easy to distinguish. I often interpreted those unexpected behaviors as aleatoric elements within the piece rather than disruptions.
Pianist 2: Yes, especially when the system began responding with a tempo, character, or nuance that significantly diverged from what I had initially established. As a performer, I have a certain expressive direction in mind, and when the response strays too far from that, it can feel disruptive. However, through rehearsals, we were able to identify those moments and adjust accordingly to find a more stable and coherent flow.
Q: Were there moments when you had to adjust your interpretation based on the system's response?
Pianist 1: Yes. There were times when the system reacted differently from what I anticipated. In such cases, I modified my interpretation to maintain musical continuity.
Pianist 2: Not particularly. Since the number of controllable parameters was limited in this performance, I didn’t feel the need to modify my interpretation. However, if I could suggest an improvement, I would have appreciated more flexibility in how the system responds—beyond just canonic imitation. If performers were given options to select or influence the type of response, I believe it would allow for richer interpretations and a more interactive experience.
Sense of Connection and Co-Creation
Q: Did the system feel more like a co-performer or co-creator rather than just a tool?
Pianist 1: Absolutely. From the start, it felt like I was playing with another pianist. In some ways, it even felt like another version of myself—a musical mirror that listened and responded thoughtfully.
Pianist 2: Absolutely. The system didn’t feel like a passive tool merely reproducing sound—it actively filled the space with me and inspired artistic ideas alongside my own. I felt that we were shaping the music together, with the system taking on a significant role in carrying the performance forward. It gave me a genuine sense of musical partnership, as if we were part of a shared creative community.
Q: Did you feel emotionally connected to the system’s responses? Were there moments of disconnection?
Pianist 1: I definitely felt a strong connection. The basic mechanism—where the system listens to my playing and responds—creates a natural sense of dialogue. For example, when the system echoed my phrase and I layered a new melody on top, it felt like a true musical conversation. I didn’t experience any real sense of disconnection.
Pianist 2: Yes, I definitely felt that the system was responding to my musical expression. When my phrases returned through the second piano—often transformed or imitated—it felt like I was engaging in a dialogue with another version of myself. Although the responses were governed by certain rules, they aligned with the flow of my playing and contributed to shaping the musical space together. Rather than any sense of disconnection, I frequently felt a strong sense of connection throughout the performance.
Q: Did the presence of the operator affect your performance?
Pianist 1: I didn’t feel alone on stage, which was somewhat reassuring, but my full concentration was on the sonic interaction with the second piano. I wasn’t consciously aware of the operator’s presence during the performance.
Pianist 2: I wasn’t particularly aware of the operator during the performance. My focus was entirely on the sound and behavior of the second piano. Still, the awareness that I wasn’t completely alone on stage provided a subtle but comforting sense of support.
Reflections and Suggestions
Q: What improvements would you like to see in future versions of the system?
Pianist 1: I hope for more nuanced timbral expression. If the system could more precisely reflect subtle articulations and tone color, it would deepen the sense of musical agency and interaction.
Pianist 2: It would be interesting if the pianist could have more agency in choosing the types of system responses. For example, if a wider range of feedback options were available—and the performer could select or influence them—it would enrich the interaction and allow for greater artistic individuality. I believe it would open up new expressive possibilities for both performance and composition.
Q: What was the most memorable and the most frustrating part of the experience?
Pianist 1: The most memorable part was the sense of genuine dialogue with an intelligent and responsive partner. In fact, it felt more meaningful than some collaborations I’ve had with human pianists. The system’s dynamic control and velocity responsiveness contributed greatly to its realism. The only frustration was the limited range of timbral expression—but overall, it was a profoundly engaging and rewarding experience.
Pianist 2: The most memorable aspect was the feeling of performing with a kind of shadow or alter ego. Although the responses were somewhat predetermined, I was initiating the musical flow, and the system responded accordingly. That interaction created a deep sense of connection and immersion.

System Operators

Interviewees: System Operators (non-author)
Format: Semi-structured interview (edited for clarity; interviews conducted separately)
Initial Engagement and Familiarization
Q: How long did it take for you to become comfortable with the system after first encountering it?
Pianist 1: The actual rehearsal period lasted about one week. Initially, my focus was primarily on technical control, but as I became more familiar with the system, I gradually began to perceive my role as a musical participant as well.
Pianist 2: Although it was difficult at first, after about three to four practice sessions, I became comfortable.
Real-Time Operation Experience
Q: What was the most important consideration when operating the system live?
Pianist 1: In its current form, Max patches separate volume, pedal, and other controls into individual components, requiring multiple simultaneous operations during certain musical passages. Ensuring that none of these were missed was the most critical task.
Pianist 2: I constantly worried about making sure the sustain pedal was triggered correctly and whether the feedback feature was properly turned on or not.
Q: Were there any sections that were particularly difficult to operate
Pianist 1: Most sections were challenging. Passages with increasing intensity or layered textures were relatively manageable, but those requiring subtle dynamic shifts were much more demanding. The dynamic level of the second piano is entirely operator-dependent, so I had to consider the live acoustics and the first pianist’s interpretation. Because the output can vary by venue, repeated rehearsals were essential.
Pianist 2: Yes, especially when transitioning from the third to the fourth section. In the earlier sections, I only had to manipulate one element at a time, but in the fourth section, I needed to balance two parameters simultaneously, which made it more difficult.
Suggestions for System Improvement
Q: What improvements would you like to see in future versions of the system?
Pianist 1: The Max patch should be reorganized for better usability. Functions like toggling feedback and initiating recordings are too fragmented. The score also includes difficult notations, such as septuplets, which make intuitive real-time navigation difficult without full memorization. More intuitive notation and detailed annotations would help improve performance.
Pianist 2: As more buttons are added, it feels like each function is exposed in a scattered manner. It would be better if some functions were integrated and operated sequentially. Also, having a clearly documented checklist of responsibilities would greatly improve usability.
Expression and Musical Autonomy
Q: How much musical autonomy did you feel you had in controlling the second piano’s expressiveness?
Operator 1: Rather than making musical decisions directly, I focused on operating the second piano in accordance with the first piano’s phrasing. While the musical direction was led by the performer, parameters like timing and dynamics were still under my discretion, giving me a sense of autonomy.
Operator 2: I felt that I had substantial control—being able to decide whether the second piano would sound or not, and controlling the volume and delay. However, I also believed that I was not doing it alone; the second piano's sound was shaped collaboratively by both the performer and operator.
Q: Did you feel like you were “performing musically” or more like a technical operator?
Operator 1: Initially, I felt like a technical operator, but as I became more familiar with the system, I began to feel like a musical participant.
Operator 2: I felt much more like a system operator. It was closer to an audio technician role—controlling actual sound output—rather than musical performance.
Communication with the Pianist
Q: How important was communication with the pianist, and how well was it achieved?
Operator 1: Extremely important. The pianist must fully understand the piece, and mutual agreement on interpretation with the operator is essential. Due to time constraints in this performance, some timing discrepancies occurred. Furthermore, because I was operating from backstage without visual contact, prior coordination was even more critical.
Operator 2: Incredibly important. The sound of the second piano is co-created by the first pianist and the operator, so mutual understanding and agreement were essential.
Q: Can you describe a moment when you had to immediately react or anticipate the performer’s actions?
Operator 1: Yes. In measure 29, the pianist held a fermata longer than expected, but I had already triggered recording based on our assumption of a shorter hold. This resulted in silence before playback started. Fortunately, the pianist noticed this and repeated the phrase, allowing the interaction to recover naturally.
Operator 2: There were moments where the pianist adapted to our mistakes rather than us reacting to them. For example, if the feedback did not play correctly due to an error on our end, the pianist would repeat the same measure or refrain from progressing to the next section, essentially compensating through musical gestures.
Reflections and Suggestions
Q: Do you have any recommendations regarding manuals or training materials for operators?
Operator 1: Documenting the Max patch usage is essential for reusability. We annotated the score and reviewed past recordings, but many real-time decisions differed from what was notated. For instance, gradual pedal releases and missing dynamic markings had to be interpreted on the spot. It would be helpful if operational timing and dynamic cues were more explicitly written into the score.
Operator 2: Even if the basic setup is complete, it’s often necessary to modify elements within Max during operation. A deeper understanding of Max is crucial. For example, during the Disklavier setup, not being familiar with port selections and configurations delayed the process. A more intuitive and efficient setup process would be helpful.
Q: What was the most interesting and the most challenging aspect of operating the system?
Operator 1: The integration of transcription as a musical element was particularly engaging. The structure of the piece accommodated small imperfections gracefully. The main challenge was the complexity of real-time operation, which always left room for minor errors.
Operator 2: I found the piece fascinating in the way it blends intentional and unintentional behaviors, challenging the idea that "sound once gone does not return"—a concept deeply rooted in both music and physics. Moreover, performing without seeing the pianist, yet having to interact musically, was a unique and challenging experience.
Q: If you had another opportunity to operate this piece, what would you do differently?
Operator 1: I would coordinate more thoroughly with the pianist in advance. With more rehearsal time and shared interpretation, the result could be even more musically cohesive and reliable.
Operator 2: I’d like to explore using more of Max’s advanced features to create more complex and layered feedback responses. That could lead to even more interesting musical outcomes.

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